Sunday, June 13, 2021
Home Health Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge on How to Develop Resilience in Kids

Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge on How to Develop Resilience in Kids

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Katie: Hello, and welcome to the “Wellness Mama” podcast. I’m Katie from and That’s Wellnesse with an E on the top. And this episode goes deep on issues like PANS and PANDAS, which I’ve gotten loads of questions on and don’t have any first-hand expertise with however needed to present a superb useful resource for anybody who’s in the method of coping with these particular circumstances. And I’m right here with Dr. Roseann Capanna-Hodge, who’s the founding father of the Global Institute of Children’s Mental Health. And Forbes has known as her a thought chief in youngsters’s psychological well being. She’s labored with hundreds of households, particularly these with Lyme illness, PANS/PANDAS, and every other kind of situation. And she’s the creator of the ebook, “It’s Gonna Be Okay!” and the Get Unstuck Program.

And I believed she was a fantastic skilled to have on. We actually go deep on these circumstances, why we’re seeing an increase in psychological well being points in children, the components which have modified a lot in the final couple of a long time which might be affecting our youngsters. We go deep on each the physiological and the psychological well being components which might be concerned, and why we’re seeing an increase in loads of these circumstances, why so many children are getting misdiagnosed, and what you are able to do as a mother or father to each assist your little one keep away from these circumstances and likewise what to do in the event that they have already got them. It’s a very fascinating episode. She’s a lot enjoyable, so well-spoken. And with out additional ado, let’s be a part of her. Dr. Roseann, welcome. Thanks for being right here.

Dr. Roseann: Well, I’m so excited to attain all these mamas on the market and supporting not simply children’ psychological well being however household psychological well being in a time the place we want it greater than ever.

Katie: Well, and definitely, any mother is aware of children’ psychological well being instantly impacts the entire household’s psychological well being very drastically. And I’d say it’s in all probability no secret that we’re seeing an increase in psychological well being points in all demographics however together with youngsters, which is the place I believe I get probably the most unhappy after I see little ones struggling by way of a few of these issues. And I do know I’ve seen loads of articles that over the previous 12 months this has actually intensified. I do know there’s loads of components, a part of it in all probability children being separated from college environments, and from their regular social interactions, and from actions and from time outdoors in some circumstances, however I do know it’s can also go deeper than that as properly. So, are you able to stroll us by way of why we’re seeing such an increase in youngsters’s psychological well being points, particularly in the previous 12 months or so?

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, it’s such a fantastic query as a result of we’re seeing an increase in children’ psychological well being lengthy earlier than the pandemic occurred, which is why in January of 2020, I began the Global Institute of Children’s Mental Health as a result of in these 30 years, Katie, I’ve simply seen such a rise in issues like nervousness, despair, autism has simply gone by way of the roof, and issues like PANS and PANDAS, which have been nearly non-existent after I began 30 years in the past. And so, you understand, why is that this taking place? It is certainly a multifaceted situation. We know what’s taking place proper now. We can dive into that. But let’s dial it again. Let’s speak about all these components which have made it the place some children are actually struggling throughout the pandemic regardless of having nice houses or none of these danger components, like, you understand, points with their dad and mom being extremely burdened or financial points which have affected them throughout the pandemic.

You know, children are struggling extra at this time. And a few of that’s as a result of environmental modifications, like teachers, being far more intense, faculties being generally developmentally inappropriate for teenagers, for instance, writing, the calls for on children writing after they’re bodily not as succesful have dramatically elevated in the final 15 years. And that’s actually worrying on children. But we even have poor meals high quality. We have a rise in genetic mutations. We have a lower in bodily train. And how about downtime? Kids don’t actually have downtime in the identical approach. So this has all, form of, led to this rise. And on prime of it, our parenting types have modified. We should not parenting our youngsters in a really autonomous approach, so children can actually develop this resilience and grit, and be taught coping abilities, which solely come from these little moments of failure, that train children how to tolerate disappointment, uncomfortableness, all these feelings. And children want to be taught these abilities independently as a result of when huge stuff occurs, such as you get into an enormous combat along with your finest pal or your boyfriend, or you’re failing a category in faculty, that you’ve an inner resilience to deal with these conditions with stride as a result of stress occurs.

And then proper now, why are children having such a worrying expertise? You know, in the event that they walked in, Katie, to the pandemic, with a pre-existing psychological well being situation or a household historical past of worrying experiences, they’re gonna be extra seemingly to expertise stress. But what we all know by way of analysis, survey analysis in the United States, Asia, and in addition to Europe is that there’s a actual improve in nervousness and despair for teenagers. And one startling statistic is that fifty% of youngsters and younger adults who’ve a right away member of the family with COVID have a danger of average to extreme despair, which is stunning. So children have a lack of connection. There’s worry across the virus. There’s the virus itself, and simply the Wild West educationally, the disruption in schooling and fogeys being actually burdened and overwhelmed has all contributed to what goes on with children, this uptick in psychological well being points.

Katie: That is sensible and it looks like loads of components to deal with. I’m proper there with you on, type of, the modifications in parenting types. I obtained some good classes from my grandma earlier than she handed away about how a lot completely different that’s now. And that’s at all times been my focus with mine is to attempt to increase them to be as autonomous and self-sufficient as attainable as early as attainable whereas, after all, giving them the instruments to try this in a mature and useful approach. I’ve a motto with them that I gained’t do something for them that they’re able to doing themselves. So even the little ones begin their very own laundry fairly early and are very concerned round the home.

And additionally, we actually attempt to curate time for them to be bored and to play outdoors, and never to simply have fixed construction to allow them to be taught a few of these abilities. I do know I’m a giant fan of anytime children are enjoying, there’ll at all times be the inevitable little spats or disputes or determining the principles of the sport. And I’m such a fan of letting them work by way of that each time attainable as a result of such as you mentioned, they be taught from these interactions and from these little failures, and that interprets to later in life. And there’s loads of instructions to go from right here. But earlier than we transfer on, why do you suppose we’re seeing such a change in that parenting type that appears to have occurred throughout the span of 1 technology?

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, properly, we’ve shifted our focus to teachers. And we’re utilizing teachers as a benchmark for psychological well being. And loads of dad and mom imagine that, “Wow, if we get our kids to focus on getting those straight As that life’s gonna be better for them. Life’s gonna be easier for them.” And it’s not the case as a result of individuals with psychological well being points, children and adults, are purposeful. They stroll round. They’re interacting. Some areas are going nice in their life, perhaps it’s in teachers, and different areas aren’t. And so, we’re not…Now I believe what is occurring, Katie, in this pandemic, is we’re altering. We’re realizing, “Wait a second, my kids didn’t have an ability to manage stress or they don’t know how to do their laundry.” I imply, what sage recommendation your grandma gave you, proper? Do issues on your individual and make errors since you’re 100% proper, it’s these little moments that develop into the training lesson.

And so, we’ve shifted away from social-emotional growth. We speak loads about it. But I don’t suppose dad and mom actually perceive that it comes from being autonomous. And we’ve got this fear-driven society that if our youngsters don’t have straight As, they’ll quantity to nothing. And this comes out of the mouths of youngsters, and faculty children, and center college children. They say the identical factor that their dad and mom are. And so we’ve shifted our focus to one thing that’s actually not gonna construct lifelong happiness. And the core to that’s this resilience and it comes from stress tolerance.

Katie: Yeah, that is sensible. And that’s in all probability its personal matter for a unique day. But that’s a world I would like to take on, in addition to the not less than, like, post-secondary schooling world and the ways in which it’s not serving children for the longer term that they’re arrange for. And a giant cause why I homeschool is to have the option to give my children a greater basis in that sense. But I believe it’s additionally necessary to spotlight you talked about there are some particular physiological elements of what’s going on as properly. I’ve talked about on this podcast earlier than that we’re seeing an enormous improve in environmental toxins, like, greater than every other technology. Like you mentioned, we’re seeing a rise in genetic mutations, which is an fascinating, actually necessary matter to delve into itself. We know that our meals provide isn’t as nutrient-dense because it as soon as was. As mothers, we’re type of preventing a battle generally on many fronts, however let’s speak about a few of these physiological components that come into play as properly and what we will do about them.

Dr. Roseann: Yeah. So, you understand, I speak loads about this in my ebook, “It’s Gonna Be Okay!” I delve into loads of these root causes about what’s taking place. And so, genetic mutation is one thing that folks, you understand, might have heard about, however don’t have any understanding of its connection to a baby’s bodily and psychological well being. And what has been taking place in this time that we’ve modified in a technology is we’ve simply had a dramatic improve in these mutations, and one in explicit known as MTHFR. There are others. And I am going actually deeply into them in my ebook, “It’s Gonna Be Okay!,” is altering how our youngsters are using important nutritional vitamins, notably the B nutritional vitamins, and our nervous system can’t regulate correctly, nor can it detoxify correctly. And each of these components are going to influence our mind well being and nervous system. And so it’s undoubtedly a root trigger as to why we’re seeing a lot improve in issues prefer it’s correlated with ADHD, and nervousness, and despair. It’s additionally correlated right into a specialty that I’ve individuals with persistent bodily ailments that lead to psychological well being points. So issues like PANS and PANDAS, Lyme illness, and various kinds of an infection and poisonous triggers that may lead to PANS/PANDAS or autoimmune encephalopathy.

And so, these are some sources that children are actually struggling each in the bodily and the psychological well being facet. And we will’t escape the connection between the mind and physique. We speak loads about it in psychological well being, proper? We ought to at all times be speaking about thoughts, physique, and spirit however we’re not instructing households about what they’ll do to change issues on that mobile stage with food plan, train, hacks in vitamins, proper? So taking particular dietary supplements and past. There’s loads of issues dad and mom can do to instantly influence their little one’s psychological well being proper now, but in addition for future generations, which is stunning to dad and mom after they hear about that, you understand, very clever individuals know meals is necessary however they don’t know why. They don’t know the way it reduces irritation. Oh, it addresses, you understand, taking a look at at a deeper stage, what are allergy responses and the way do these vitamins really energy up very particular forms of areas in the mind?

Katie: And I’m glad you introduced up PANS and PANDAS as a result of I get an rising variety of questions on these, which tells me that they’re in all probability on the rise. And it’s an space I don’t have loads of firsthand expertise. But I’m listening to from loads of mothers who both have children who they know have a prognosis or fear that their children might need this and are having hassle getting a prognosis. And it looks like there’s loads of complexity to this. And there could be loads of components that come into play and loads of signs. So, to begin broad after which we’ll dial in, give us an summary of what PANS and PANDAS are. What does that stand for and what’s going on in the physique?

Dr. Roseann: Yeah. So thanks for bringing this up as a result of PANS, PANDAS and autoimmune encephalopathy are three separate problems which have the identical supply. And the signs largely are the identical. And they’re all dramatically on the rise. The analysis says that about 150 out of 200 children have one among these problems, and it could possibly have fairly a dramatic influence on our psychological well being. So let’s speak about what they’re, let’s speak concerning the signs, after which let’s speak about what individuals can do about it. So, initially, I’m a pacesetter in this space. I’ve a ebook that I co-wrote known as “Brain Under Attack.” I speak loads about PANS and PANDAS in all of my work and in my ebook, “It’s Gonna Be Okay!” And, you understand, it’s very onerous to discover individuals who may also help you wherever in the world.

So, PANS and PANDAS and autoimmune encephalopathy, what occurs is there’s an infectious or poisonous set off that causes a misdirected immune response, the physique begins attacking itself. There is an inflammatory response. Of course, it impacts, in this case, the mind. There could be different bodily elements of it, like joint ache, and it could possibly influence wherever in the physique. But with PANS and PANDAS, it’s a sudden onset or a deep acceleration of a pre-existing situation. And I actually like to spotlight that as a result of my individuals, all my beautiful mamas on the market who’re listening, a lot of my children have pre-existing circumstances. And additionally they have a procuring cart stuffed with diagnoses, like ODD, ADD, OCD, despair, nervousness, you title it, studying disabilities. And there could be a actual worsening, proper? So PANDAS is from strep. PANS could be any an infection and poisonous. And then autoimmune encephalopathy, which, you understand, takes a very long time to have the option to pronounce that, we’re gonna name it AE. AE is a slower waxing and waning onset. It doesn’t have to be dramatic in a single day. And I like to additionally spotlight that as a result of these children get missed.

Most of the children that I work with, they’re PANS children. There’s, you understand, one poisonous set off or one an infection, as soon as it begins, different issues like to come to the celebration. And so this immune system breaks down. And you might need moles in there. You know, you might need, you understand, scarlet fever, a historical past of scarlet fever, mycoplasma pneumonia, tick-borne illness. Tick-borne illness is among the largest triggers. It shouldn’t be the one set off however it’s that and strep and mycoplasma pneumonia and mono, Epstein-Barr. I might say these are the 4 largest triggers. And then there’s an enormous checklist of various issues. So what’s going to dad and mom see? Okay?

So PANDAS, clearly, it’s a strep an infection however right here’s what you possibly can see behaviorally in all three. So you possibly can see obsessive-compulsive dysfunction. You can see nervousness, despair, you possibly can see bodily or motor tics, after which every other psychological well being situation you probably can consider in addition to loads of rage for some individuals. So you possibly can have externalizing behaviors, like rage, violence, you understand, wanting to hurt different individuals. And then on the opposite finish, you possibly can have internalizers, children which might be so depressed that may’t get away from bed. And when it’s a sudden onset, when it’s a deep acceleration, dad and mom will do issues like inform me, Katie, it felt prefer it was a demonic possession. Like, it was so excessive, they didn’t know what the heck was going on.

So, then you can also have such excessive circumstances the place dad and mom will know the precise day, the date it occurred. Like, it was February twelfth, 2019. When you see that you understand is someday and there was no precipitating occasion…And after I take into consideration children, I take into consideration grief and loss. You know, I believe there was a lack of a grandparent or a canine or a bullying incident or one thing like that. You want to be contemplating PANS and PANDAS as a result of our immune methods are breaking down due to a few of these issues we talked about, genetic mutation, poor meals high quality, persistent, persistent stress on children. And persistent stress doesn’t imply you don’t have an attractive house and an attractive road and your children go to an attractive college. It means our nervous methods are in a hyper-stress modality. And when that occurs, our sources in our physique go to discover the stressor and ignore antigens like Lyme illness, or any tick-borne sickness, or no matter it’s.

So then you possibly can have aggressive behaviors, Katie. So you could be a child who is sort of a nice pupil in actually stopped studying. I see this on a regular basis, lack of handwriting. And then two different behaviors are quite common. One is frequent urination and separation nervousness. And so when you could have a sudden onset or worsening of a pre-existing situation that appears so out of the peculiar, I’m gonna inform you this isn’t regular. Do not imagine that the primary line that if one thing is basically excessive that your little one is psychotic for no cause that perhaps they’ve, you understand…These children are identified with issues like schizophrenia, bipolar. And you wanna at all times search for medical sources.

And if this seems like your individual little one or perhaps your niece or nephew or, you understand, your pal Betty down the road, have a hear to this podcast. I imply, that is why we do that as a result of these children are all around the world and they’re in psychiatric hospitals. And they go from hospital to hospital they usually’re not getting applicable medical therapy, they usually’re being missed. And that is felony as a result of we ought to be testing children for these widespread sources of psychological well being points. If it’s 1 in 150, 200 children, that’s widespread.

Katie: Yeah. Oh, a lot to unpack there. So I agree. Is there, like, a medical set of exams that assist us determine this, or is it symptom-based, or how do dad and mom get to that prognosis? Because I can solely suppose again to my very own after I used to have Hashimoto’s, which is autoimmune. It took me so lengthy to lastly get a prognosis, to discover a physician who knew to check for the proper issues as a result of if it was like in case you solely examined T3 and T4, I used to be superb. And once you check antibodies, I used to be off the charts. And so I ponder, are the children getting missed in the testing or there should not nearly as good set requirements for testing protocols, or as a mother or father, in case you suspect this, like, what ought to a mother or father be advocating for?

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, a lot to unpack even in that. So, primary, the primary drawback why these children should not getting recognized is the shortage of practitioner data about what PANS and PANDAS are. And that’s pediatricians. That is psychiatrists. That is individuals operating psychiatric hospitals. That is therapists as a result of as quickly as they’re medically missed, increase, they go to psychotherapists. And so that’s the primary cause why, individuals. And that’s why you want to discover any person…if this seems like your child, you want to discover a practitioner like myself otherwise you go to, which is a nationwide group, or Epidemic Answers they usually have, you understand, practitioners in that space.

So, is there a check? There is. This is a medical prognosis primarily based on signs. So is Lyme illness, which is usually stunning to individuals. So we’ve got exams. Like, in PANS and PANDAS, one explicit set of exams is known as a Cunningham Panel. And some individuals imagine that you’ve to have optimistic irritation markers. You know, all this stuff have to be there. I’m gonna inform you completely not. That shouldn’t be what the medical standards says. And a few of these infectious ailments, notably Tick-Borne illness, they’ll take years to present up on lab work. And so if we grasp our hat on getting a optimistic check end result, these infections get deeper in the organs. They get extra intrusive and it turns into harder to deal with, not inconceivable. And tick-borne sickness, in as little as two weeks, can go from early-stage, which is fairly simple to deal with with antimicrobials, to late-stage. And late-stage implies that these micro organism, the spirochetes, have burrowed into some organ. And as soon as they burrow in as a result of they’ve a screw-in mechanism, these are extremely genetically advanced micro organism, some imagine probably the most extremely genetically advanced micro organism on the planet, it’s robust.

And that’s, you understand, a part of…So this Lyme neighborhood and PANS and PANDAS, they want to merge collectively as a result of let me inform you, the PANS and PANDAS mother, they’re robust mamas and they’re actually transferring the dial sooner and getting assist for his or her children than simply the, you understand, Lyme neighborhood in itself. So, no single check. Testing is useful as a result of we want to know what the infections are in the therapy triangle. You know, you wanna have therapy for the an infection, therapy for the irritation, after which behavioral psychological well being therapy. That’s a therapy triangle to actually get our youngsters higher.

Katie: And that was gonna be my subsequent query as a result of it looks like since it is a fairly advanced factor that we’ve got going on in the physique and there could be loads of completely different triggers. I’m guessing it’s additionally very hardly ever a single set off. Like, it looks like typically the physique’s able to dealing with anybody assault fairly properly. And there’s been loads of whether or not it’s the rain bucket, or the bath, or all of the completely different analogies about all of the completely different inputs that may go in, however when you attain the highest, it’s gonna overflow, it doesn’t matter what you set in it. And I exploit that analogy with autoimmune illness. It seems like that applies right here, too. So it looks like there’s a component of getting to actually, type of, unpack all these layers and determine the triggers, after which additionally determine from there, like…So is that this a really individualized therapy plan the place with every little one, you’re working to determine it’d look completely different for everybody, or are there commonalities?

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, it isn’t…I imply, you understand, Katie, that whether or not it’s autoimmune illness, like Hashimoto’s or, you understand, PANS and PANDAS, or no matter it’s, there’s a person element. But that is the idea of my work, that regardless of who I work with, whether or not it’s autism or PANS and PANDAS, I do know what holds them again. And it’s usually two issues that maintain them again from really therapeutic their physique and lowering and reversing these psychological well being signs. And it’s a hyper-stress-activated nervous system. So individuals are so stunned that our autonomic nervous system, which is in cost of managing on a regular basis stress, that these children, it’s gonna be caught on. I’ve by no means met a child with autism or ADHD or nervousness that doesn’t have a stress hyperactive nervous system.

And as I discussed earlier, your troops go to the unknown. What does that imply, your troops? It means your immune system, your hormone system, each single element of your physique which helps it to regulate and work actually goes to that one factor. So, your automotive that you just’re driving, your entire wheels are gonna be balanced on one wheel. It’s gonna be working. It’s not gonna be working properly. And each time you get in that automotive, you’re like, “Something’s wrong. Something’s wrong. Something’s wrong.” And then you definitely get your tires balanced and that’s with that nervous system. So, how I work with individuals is I train them to regulate the nervous system. And I do it with loads of biofeedback, neurofeedback, and PMF. That’s my magic juju. I imagine in loads of different issues, breathwork, and all that, and I lay it out in my ebook.

But the opposite a part of that is improper detoxing. It may be very uncommon that I’ve children and adults who their physique is ready to detoxify each the precise toxin, infectious, you understand, micro organism agent and whatnot, but in addition their waste merchandise. So, you understand, we’ve got mycotoxins which might be in our system and also you say, you understand, individuals are listening, “What do you mean detoxification? How do I do this?” Well, loads of it’s way of life. And these have a tendency to be the 2 largest limitations for those that are even getting wonderful therapy as a result of I work with people who find themselves going to these wonderful professionals and treating children with PANS and Lyme illness in adults, they usually’re not getting higher. And it’s due to the stress hyperactive nervous system. It’s a physiological response. It’s known as psychoneuroimmunology. Your physique actually is not going to allow you to heal when you’re in a stress-activated state.

So it’s tremendous necessary, you could have to take…It’s a multifactorial situation, which implies there’s nobody factor that’s gonna work. It’s changes in your way of life. And as horrible as PANS and PANDAS is, and I’ve been working with individuals with Lyme illness lengthy earlier than my 16-year-old obtained it at 22 months, who we later realized had PANS…So I dwell in an space the place infectious illness triggers for psychological well being are normal. They are simply right here. We’re dwelling in, you understand, suburbs of New York, in Connecticut, and folks get Lyme illness. If I walked outdoors proper now, Katie, and I stood on the grass, inside 10 minutes, I might have ticks crawling on my legs. So, it’s that scary. You can’t see Katie, however she seems scared. You know, and it’s there. And, you understand, for us nature lovers with our youngsters, like, we want to join, proper? So I’ve had to do loads of preventative issues.

But, you understand, individuals simply don’t perceive what PANS and PANDAS seem like. So, you understand, it could possibly present up in a single day, and really sudden and really scary. You know, when my child obtained Lyme, he stopped consuming. And you understand what his physician mentioned? His physician mentioned, “Well, he’s 22 months old. That’s what 22-month-olds do.” And I mentioned, “Not Italian kids.” You know, he was consuming, like, calamari for breakfast and, you understand, he was consuming these actually wonderful meals that we…you understand, I’ve solely been holistic my entire life. So, we didn’t eat processed meals. My child has by no means eaten off of a child’s menu, okay? And so after they advised me that, I used to be like, my mama intestine mentioned, “Uh-uh, no, no, no, no lady.” And I knew it was one thing else. But, after all, that’s what it was. But it may be a sudden onset or it may be this form of waxing and waning and up and down after which dad and mom begin going, “What’s going on here?” And that’s why they wind up getting diagnoses like, you understand, ADHD or different issues as a result of it could possibly present up in so many alternative methods.

Katie: I believe one other necessary level in all that is that tick-borne sickness can be very a lot on the rise. I believe lots of people don’t even understand there’s the connection right here. But additionally, tick-borne sickness can go in loads of completely different instructions. And I’ve heard from loads of adults who’ve had Lyme illness or numerous co-infections that got here after Lyme illness. So, I’m curious if in case you have, just a little little bit of a facet observe, however any preventative ideas for that? Because we ended up really transferring to an space that’s very low in ticks as a result of I actually don’t like ticks, and I’ve seen associates and what occurs to them with extreme Lyme, however any preventative ideas as a result of many individuals do dwell in tick borne areas.

Dr. Roseann: Yeah. Yeah. I’ve a lot of preventative ticks, Katie…tick ideas. And that is the entire different podcast and we’re filming this in May of 2021. And May is Lyme Disease Month. It’s additionally Mental Health Month, and the way applicable is that? So initially, Lyme illness is on each continent besides Antarctica. Okay? So, there are excessive an infection charges, they’re known as endemic areas. There’s 14 states in the United States which have it. And so, all of us suppose it’s solely in the woods. And as my scary story advised you, this isn’t true. So, please know that rodents carry this as a lot as deers, if no more. So rodents are in every single place. In my shishi-poopoo neighborhood, we’ve gotten rodents in our home as a result of my cats are sleeping on the job. You know, it could possibly occur at any time. So, let’s speak about prevention.

So there’s really one factor, Katie, that you are able to do that can scale back your probability of Lyme illness by 59%. And it’s not what you suppose. It’s not the sprays, that are necessary. It is having a shower instantly after being outdoors. And after I imply instantly being outdoors, it’s anytime you’re outdoors. You’re in the garden. You’ve gone to the seaside. There was simply this big article that got here out final week about how each seaside they’ll discover, in the tall grass, is crammed with ticks. So, take a peek the following time and have a look in there since you’re gonna be shocked. So, having a shower instantly. This is the very best protocol that I’ve discovered that has at all times labored with my children and even when my children have been infants is we enter by way of the storage to discover an entry level, have a transparent bin that may suit your garments, make your children strip down, put their garments in the bin earlier than they enter the home and have them take a bathe. And at all times use a washcloth and have them get each floor of their physique.

Please know {that a} tick test shouldn’t be sufficient. People will inform me, “I do tick checks.” These are little tiny, tiny, tiny, you understand, nymphs. You’re not gonna see them. So that’s actually necessary. Spray is basically necessary. Whether you imagine in pure spray or DEET-based spray, that’s okay. They’re efficient. Do not spray them collectively on the identical time. Essential oils act as a service of the mind. So in case you’re utilizing important oils-based sprays, you don’t want DEET-based sprays. You wanna decide one or the and you need to use issues like permethrin, which treats your clothes. You know, my feeling as any person who’s gone by way of this horrendous 14-year journey with my very own child with Lyme, and having entry to the highest specialists in the world is that I’d reasonably see you detox out toxins and actually create an actual protocol round that than have to take care of Lyme. So select one thing.

And then clear minimize and fence in an space of your yard if attainable. Ticks don’t like mild. They, you understand, gained’t cross over issues like mulch. So you might do a mulch border. As Hilaria Baldwin advised me, it’s a mulch moat. So after they cross over mulch, they’ll die in the warmth over that. It’s actually, actually necessary for the solar to hold your grass brief. You know, in case you are utilizing, you understand, outdoors, you understand, have a devoted space that may be primarily as tick-free as attainable. And you possibly can spray your garden. You know, oil of oregano is a good spray. But simply assume you’re gonna have ticks.

And then the spring and the autumn are the worst occasions. The spring is after they’re most aggressive. And then additionally simply know that you just shouldn’t have to have an engorged tick for it to transmit tick-borne sickness. The second a tick bites you, it empties the contents of its abdomen into you. And so, you understand, the charges of those ticks carrying tick-borne an infection are very, very excessive. The analysis is wherever from our space, it discovered 91% of ticks carried not less than one tick-borne sickness, as little as 30%. But you could have a really excessive danger that tick transmitting, you understand, to you. So prevention, prevention, prevention is vital.

Katie: That’s a very nice tip. I had by no means heard that about not utilizing pure sprays and DEET sprays collectively, but it surely makes full sense. It’s like, decide your poison and keep on with that one.

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And that’s actually wonderful how excessive…I didn’t understand tick-borne sickness was that prime and the share of ticks throughout. It’s good to know, there are some tangible issues that we will do. And it additionally seems like you could have firsthand expertise with your individual little one with this, which provides me hope since you talked about he, I imagine, is older now. So how has restoration been? I believe, like, having hope can be such an necessary factor for a mother or father who’s dealing with one thing like this.

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, having hope is so necessary. You know, in my ebook, “It’s Gonna Be Okay!,” I speak concerning the eight pillars of psychological well being. And sure, it is a ebook designed for fogeys to enhance their children’ psychological well being, but it surely’s actually about all psychological well being for everyone. And I name them the eight pillars of hope and therapeutic. And we’re so scared in this world and we don’t imagine in the efficacy of pure therapies. We don’t imagine that our youngsters can get higher. And we imagine, perhaps not our wellness mamas, proper, since you’re right here and also you’re exploring, proper, which is wonderful. Like, hold listening, hold listening. But the extra we perceive, proper…

So for 30 years, Katie, I’ve been pushing the boundaries of psychological well being. And actually, solely been utilizing these evidence-based approaches, which, hi there, are 100% pure, proper? Like, by some means meals has been relegated into another medication. It’s simply so comical, it’s not even humorous. I may begin a brawl in the psychological well being neighborhood on a Facebook group by recommending a sure food plan for nervousness or despair. So, you understand, I would like individuals to have hope and therapeutic. Yeah, my son is dramatically higher. At 16, he’s the very best psychological well being he’s ever had. Has that been a tough highway? It has been a tough highway as a result of as we’ve moved by way of this, we’ve got realized extra about what works and what doesn’t with PANS and PANDAS and tick-borne sickness and different issues.

And, once more, I’ve solely been holistic. So this wasn’t even me altering my way of life. It was actually dialing down these items, which is why so many individuals search me out and work with me nearly in our middle as a result of there are methods to deal with issues. And the platform…So is there a bio-individual method? Yes. But the 8 pillars of psychological well being are 100% the identical for everyone. And, you understand, I put in 40 pages of single-spaced analysis citations so individuals can have belief.

And the primary factor dad and mom want to do is to see their children getting higher. The second they don’t wanna leap off that fear prepare they usually hold these psychiatric meds in the again of their head or different issues…proper, as a result of we all know children with PANS and PANDAS and Lyme illness, the analysis 2021 says that these children have poor reactions, excessive signs reactions. I knew that as a result of I may see these children having paradoxical reactions. Why did they react to psychiatric meds? It’s not the basis trigger. The root trigger is an an infection or a toxin. So let’s deal with that element. But I at all times need individuals to have hope, whether or not it’s autism or PANS and PANDAS and Lyme illness.

You completely…I’ve the privilege of serving to hundreds of individuals scale back and reverse psychological well being signs over all these years. And, you understand, you’ve gotta perceive it’s gonna take work, but it surely’s shifting your work which isn’t working for you, which feels such as you’re beating your head towards the wall or happening rabbit gap after rabbit gap, and shifting it to way of life modifications and different therapies which might be really gonna create change. And that perception is the place it begins. You’ve obtained to imagine in it as a result of once you don’t, you let that negativity, form of, creep in.

Katie: Yeah, and I believe the opposite actually necessary level to spotlight there’s that for the very best outcomes of the work you’re doing, like, psychological well being is not only a remedy psychological well being situation in any respect. And the very best outcomes in any facet of well being appear to come after we use an integrative method that takes all of this stuff into consideration. And I’ve seen these type of issues as properly, individuals pushing again in the medical neighborhood on food plan being that necessary or something past energy being necessary. And I believe it’s an enormous disservice to people who find themselves struggling as a result of even when they don’t…perhaps you could have religion in that type of method. It’s not going to hurt somebody to eat a extra nutrient-dense food plan or to dial in dietary supplements that is likely to be useful.

So to me, in the very best curiosity of the affected person, particularly after we’re speaking about our youngsters, you wanna use each potential software that you’ve out there and, type of, use this multifaceted method. And it’s thrilling to know that there are tangible issues that folks can do as a result of I believe you’re proper, like, that hope and that mindset is such a giant key towards therapeutic. And our youngsters want to have the option to really feel that from us as a result of we’re gonna be those, type of, emotionally driving that course of. And I believe this is applicable to all children, not even simply children with PANS and PANDAS. And I do know you could have one thing known as the CHAMP approach, I imagine, from what I’ve heard of you?

Dr. Roseann: Yeah.

Katie: We’re gonna speak about that as a result of I believe a few of these issues, like psychological well being is one thing we wish for all of our youngsters. You know, we wish them to all have a optimistic mindset and a superb basis in psychological well being. So, what are a few of these components that you just talked about which might be relevant throughout the board when it comes to this?

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, I imply, I’m about elevating profitable children, whether or not your child has PANS or PANDAS or they may simply be burdened throughout the pandemic, have a tough time focusing and motivation, however they don’t have ADHD. So I speak concerning the CHAMP approach, proper? And, you understand, there’s 5 elements of that. And so one, it’s calming your central nervous system. So nothing is gonna occur. No studying will occur with a stress-activated nervous system. This is adults too, individuals, proper, and that is my battle cry for mothers to maintain themselves. And, you understand, it simply takes 10 minutes a day to regulate your nervous system. You can use breathwork, meditation, biofeedback, neurofeedback. Pick one thing and do it, individuals, since you’re going to really feel higher on a regular basis and also you then gained’t react to stress. So it’s tremendous, tremendous necessary, proper?

And then two, you understand, hone your children’ abilities, proper? Don’t simply focus on teachers, proper? You know, my youthful man, John Carlo, he simply is a freaking delight. I imply, he’s obtained a fantastic humorousness. He is the pal to everyone. So I hone in on these abilities as a result of he’s dyslexic. So, I’m gonna focus on his studying however I’m gonna hone in on his items. And please begin opening your concepts to items past the educational world since you need your children profitable in all areas. It’s not gonna matter if they’ve a straight A in algebra after they get to a job, or they struggle to hold a girlfriend, proper? And they don’t know the way to be conscientious about, you understand, simply considering past themselves, proper?

And then three, we already talked about this, it’s parenting to be autonomous. We need our youngsters to really feel assured. You know, I really like to do issues like what Katie does. I begin them with duties at house. Like, my boys knew how to prepare dinner and use a range by the point they have been 5 years previous. Okay? So my 10-year-old is like, “Hey, Mom, I’m gonna make a soup. You want some?” “Sure, sounds great.” Now, I do know he likes it spicy. My mouth is gonna burn when he makes it however I’m gonna let him be autonomous. And then 4 is mastering coping abilities. We need our youngsters…we don’t need to rescue our youngsters each second, okay? We need them to drawback clear up, determine stuff on their very own, be just a little uncomfortable, and determine how to cope. That doesn’t imply throwing them in the deep finish. It means like, “Here are your resources, you know, let’s talk about it.”

And then 5 is utilizing optimistic language abilities and visualization. So I speak about visualization on a regular basis, like, oh, so we’re gonna have a pool celebration. When your children are coming over, you understand, from college, like, what does that seem like? Well, how do you wanna see it go, you understand? And I keep in mind we used to have a pool celebration each Friday, Katie. And we like to have a superb time on the Hodges. It’s a part of the Hodge motto to have a superb time, particularly when you could have a child who struggles. And we really nonetheless homeschool our older son, however we homeschooled each our youngsters at one level. And so, you might have a celebration throughout the week. And the children I used to be speaking about that week’s pool celebration, each my boys mentioned, “Hey, you know what I don’t like? I see the kids taking my stuff without permission, going into my bedroom and taking all my, of course, you know, like swords and, you know, battle gear.” And I used to be like, “Okay, well, where do you see that stuff being moved to?” And they only begin seeing issues completely different. They don’t say, “Oh, Mom, you’re gonna do it.” They simply begin seeing optimistic outcomes and feeling good about themselves. And that’s so key.

These are the underpinnings of psychological well being, individuals. It is basically growing that inside resilience. It doesn’t simply occur in a single day since you say to your child, “Well, this is how you figure it out.” No. It’s these alternatives of failure, and success, the place they learn the way to handle no matter comes. Like what Katie mentioned, your children are having a WWE SmackDown, and also you allow them to determine it out. Right? It’s necessary.

Katie: Yeah, I believe that’s actually necessary and never problem-solving for them. I do know I hear from loads of lecturers who say that folks are doing that much more now. And such as you mentioned, it’s as a result of the teachers are so necessary. But from firsthand expertise, I can look again, my dad and mom have been each faculty professors at completely different occasions. And I undoubtedly got here from that educational background. And I realized, like, that was a very powerful factor and I obtained the straight As and I used to be obsessive about college to the expense of my well being ultimately. And the irony is, like, I used to be nice at taking exams. It’s not a invaluable life talent. Being form to individuals is a really invaluable life talent. Being ready to clearly state your needs and wishes and likewise hear to different individuals, that’s a invaluable life talent. Being ready to maintain your self and maintain others, very invaluable life talent.

And I believe you’re proper, we’ve misplaced some essential issues with our youngsters in attempting to empower them to be actually good at teachers, well-intentioned, however unintended second and third-order penalties that now we’ve got to deal with. And hopefully, we’re. I really like that method as properly. We’re type of the enjoyable home as properly. And I’ve at all times needed to be the place the place my children may deliver associates and the place all the buddies needed to hang around. And now that I’ve obtained…I’ve 6 children, the oldest is nearly 15. And we’re undoubtedly that home. So on any given day, there’s perhaps 20 children in our home and I like it. But it does…And I really like your method too of serving to them to visualize and serving to them to determine it out. I’ve been a giant fan of that since my children have been younger is after they ask a query, as a substitute of simply answering, I’ll be like, “Oh, well, why do you think?” or, “How can we find the answer to that question?” Or in the event that they’re having an issue, I’ll ask them, “Oh, what would be some solutions? How could you solve this problem?” as a substitute of simply fixing it for them.

And I believe you’re proper, that’s essential to give them simply that perspective to begin shifting. So even at a younger age, they don’t say, “I need someone to fix this for me.” They begin considering, “How can I fix this?” or, “How can I work through this?” or, “How can I make this better?” And I really like your method in that and love your work in your ebook too. I’m gonna ensure that it’s linked in the present notes as properly as a result of I believe it’s actually phenomenal for all children and all dad and mom. I do know that you just even have a particular supply particular to the viewers at this time. And I wanna make sure that we get to speak about that earlier than we attain the top of our time. So stroll us by way of what you’ve created for the listeners.

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, so I’ve a particular factor only for the Wellness Mamas on the market as a result of I simply love that you just’ve created a neighborhood. You know, I used to be a holistic mother lengthy earlier than it was cool. So, I simply love that everyone’s embracing this and that Katie is main this battle cry. So, I’m all about elevating profitable children. So we’ve got this wonderful no-brainer $7 supply. And you possibly can go to elevating…It’s gonna be in the notes, but it surely’s And it’s a triple supply. And it’s a video with me the place I train you…It’s a masterclass on how to construct resilience and grit in your children, after which we’re gonna do a five-day problem about how to increase profitable children, 5 steps to creating success in life, college, and residential. And then a dwell Q&A on the wrap up in the following week after we’ve got this problem and relying on when this airs.

So, I hope individuals do that. This is a no brainer. There isn’t any child in the world proper now throughout this pandemic that’s not impacted in a way, form, or kind. And there’s a lot we will do proactively, proper? So wherever you’re, you’re a particular wants mother like me or you could have children that you just’re working this in direction of, that is for all children. And I name 20 something-year-olds children too as a result of some children get caught in their 20s. And, you understand, I do loads of failure to launch work. So, I simply need individuals to have instruments which might be accessible. That’s what I do. That’s why, you understand, I’m on TV on a regular basis. That’s why I’m speaking about all this as a result of dad and mom really feel, you understand, not sure of what to do and I wanna assist you to to really feel hopeful, but in addition actually put instruments in your arms that make parenting just a little simpler for you. And that, you understand, once you make these shifts, like, I’m positive Katie sees this, I see this, all this work that I’ve achieved to even deal with my child who struggled with psychological well being due to PANS, he, at 16 when it ought to be more durable, is definitely the best he’s ever been.

It’s about altering what you’re doing so the funding pays off. And there isn’t a mother or father…Whenever I ask them, “What do you want for a kid?” They all say, “I want my kids to be happy and healthy.” They by no means say, “I want a straight-A student.” You make a contented and wholesome child, there are not any limits to their success. You solely focus on that one factor, you’re limiting their success. So, that is about making a dialogue and supplying you with instruments. So I hope individuals join it as a result of I’m tremendous enthusiastic about children’ psychological well being and we will do higher. And that’s what all my work is about.

Katie: I like it. I’ll ensure that hyperlink is in the present notes. For all of you guys listening when you are driving or exercising, these will all be at So you’ll find every thing we’ve talked about. I’ve been taking notes as properly whereas we’re speaking. And I do know that Dr. Roseann, you could have loads of sources as properly. I’ll hyperlink to a few of these so individuals can discover them and continue learning. And my hope in that is that hopefully, nearly all of individuals listening should not working with a baby who has one among these circumstances. But I believe in mild of the numbers you shared, it’s essential for us as dad and mom to bear in mind that this exists and to be on the lookout for it as a result of such as you mentioned, it could possibly come on very quickly. And it’s actually good for all dad and mom to have an consciousness about ticks and about tick-borne sickness, and about issues like MTHFR, and underlying dietary triggers, and kids’s psychological well being.

And I consider all of this stuff, like, hopefully, there’s nice instruments such as you present for fogeys who’re coping with the acute, but in addition I believe we’ve talked about loads of issues which might be useful throughout the board for fogeys who perhaps don’t have a baby working by way of one among these issues however they may also help all of our youngsters have a greater shot at success in not simply teachers but in addition in relationships and in life in each space. And I really like the work that you just’re doing in in this world and all of the dad and mom and households that you just’re reaching. Another query I really like to ask for the top of interviews is that if there’s a ebook or plenty of books, moreover your individual, after all, which have had a dramatic influence on your life, and if that’s the case what they’re and why.

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, so I’ve been doing this work my complete life. I’m the daughter of Italian immigrants. And my dad and mom taught me meals was medication. And so, the ebook that has actually had probably the most dramatic influence on me is a ebook known as “Prescription for Nutritional Healing” by Phyllis Balch, B-A-L-C-H. And it’s actually an encyclopedia that talks to you about vitamin and dietary supplements. And I began doing integrative care earlier than even the web. So, I had to go take a look at microfiche, individuals, if you understand what that’s. You might need to google what microfiche is, proper? And this ebook was simply transformational for me. I virtually have this ebook memorized. And you should buy it on Amazon. And each mom ought to have this ebook as a useful resource as a result of in case your child’s obtained a bellyache, it’s gonna provide you with vitamin and dietary supplements. And they’ve a homeopathy model as properly. So, simply made a big impact in understanding that we put limits in therapeutic in the allopathic world, however in the Eastern world, and, you understand, once you actually speak about integrative care, it means combining the very best of issues. So, I simply suppose it’s a ebook everyone ought to have learn and simply have on their shelf.

Katie: I like it. I don’t know that anybody has instructed that on this podcast but. But it jogs my memory, my mother had that ebook after I was a child as properly. And I really noticed it yesterday on her bookshelf after I was having espresso along with her in the morning. And yeah, there’s a lot info in it. And sarcastically, you’ll suppose you’d have the option to discover all that info on-line. But yeah, it’s so onerous to dig by way of. And as Google has modified the outcomes to prioritize the extra mainstream medical facet, it’s more durable and more durable to discover these issues. So, that’s a fantastic thought to have that useful resource on hand as a result of when you could have a baby who has an earache or who has a stomachache, you need the solutions now. So that’s such a superb suggestion.

Dr. Roseann: And it led me to construct, form of, a useful resource, Katie, of, like, what are the stuff you wanna have on hand? Like, I really like getting a mother’s homeopathy package. When I am going to a child bathe, initially, I’m Italian, so you understand you’re gonna get a superb present, however I deliver homeopathy. I deliver issues that, you understand, are protected for mothers and infants in order that they’ll begin their wellness mama journey and understand that, you understand, you don’t have to have, you understand, a chemical in case your child is constipated or no matter it’s. So, it’s a fantastic useful resource.

Katie: Perfect. I’ll make sure that individuals can discover that as properly. It will likely be in the present notes. Any parting recommendation for all of the dad and mom listening earlier than we wrap up?

Dr. Roseann: Yeah, you understand, no person ever regrets getting assist. They solely remorse after they don’t. And in case your child is struggling in the tiniest approach, you understand, whether or not you wanna use “It’s Gonna Be Okay!” because the useful resource and precise ideas otherwise you wanna go to a licensed therapist, go. You know, it’s solely gonna assist deliver lifelong well being. And if we don’t have our psychological well being, we don’t have something. And it doesn’t actually matter all of the bodily issues that you’ve, it’s gotta begin…all of it begins from inside. And that’s what we want to focus on with our youngsters is that mind-body connection, the bodily facet, all these stunning, holistic issues, nice meals that you just’re giving your children, stunning houses, schooling, however you’ve gotta construct that inner resilience. And each mother or father has the ability to do it.

Katie: And we’ve talked principally about children’ well being and psychological well being at this time. But I believe that’s one other necessary level as we wrap up is, in some ways, we even have to be the instance of this. And I do know many mothers who’ve some model of a well being drawback that additionally bleeds over into psychological well being. And I believe it’s a really highly effective factor after we get the possibility to be the instance of that as a result of then our youngsters additionally get to be taught by watching us work by way of a wrestle they usually get to see the resilience firsthand. So, I believe that’s such an necessary level and an ideal place to wrap up. And such as you mentioned, I believe there might be entire different episodes associated simply to the tick-borne sickness facet, and to prevention, and to a complete lot of different points of youngsters’s psychological well being. But we’ll wrap up right here for at this time. And in case you guys have any follow-up questions for Dr. Roseann, please go away these on Instagram or in the feedback in order that if we will do a spherical 2 someday, we will make sure that we deal with all of these issues. But I understand how busy you’re as a mother and a practitioner, and I’m actually grateful for you for being right here at this time and for sharing.

Dr. Roseann: Well, thanks a lot for supporting children and household psychological well being as a result of like I mentioned, it’s simply so necessary and extra necessary than ever proper now. And I would like individuals to really feel like they’ll maintain themselves. And perceive, simply as you mentioned, self-care for mama is simply as necessary because the love that we give our youngsters and you’ll lead and present your children on such a deep stage that you just love your self sufficient to maintain your self however you’ll additionally present them what you are able to do for your self by demonstrating that, so it’s so necessary. Such a fantastic dialog. Thank you, Katie.

Katie: Oh, thanks. And thanks as at all times to all of you guys for listening, and for sharing your most precious sources, your time, and your vitality with us at this time. We’re each so grateful that you just did, and I hope that you’ll be a part of me once more on the following episode of the “Wellness Mama” podcast.

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